DNA test companies being used for this project: http://www.familytreedna.com http://www.dnaheritage.com  TREE- NORMAN DE MARISCO FAMILIES: (PRELIMINARY DRAFT, NO DATA HAS BEEN VERIFIED FROM ORIGINAL SOURCES.) INTRODUCTION: The purpose in attempting to construct a family tree for the early Norman de Mariscos, is to see if there are any particular areas where their descendants might be found today. It is likely that only a very small number of present day Marshes descend from the Norman de Marisco family. However, we have a few slim clues to work with, and it might be possible in time to make an estimate of the Y-DNA profile of the de Mariscos. Several families have traditions of descent from the de Mariscos. In starting to look at the de Marisco family tree, the first impression you get, is one of utter confusion. The very early generations, particularly before about 1200, are recorded differently in different sources. It is not too much of an exageration to say that according to differing trees, various individuals are their own grandfather! Other individuals are fortunate to have 3 or more different fathers, and as many different mothers. Because I don't have ready access to original sources, I have been working largely from internet sources, and these are not always reliable. However, as a tentative start, I have constructed the following. The trees at least identify areas associated with the de Marisco families, which is part of what I am interested in. If anyone is able to correct any of the following information, or refer me to any creditable original sources, I would be very pleased for the help. VERY EARLY ORIGINS: At this stage, I have found at least 4 different versions of the early origins of the de Mariscos. Some say they come from a de Montmorency family, some say they come from a de Marck family, and some say they come from de Mariscos. Yet another source says a branch of the de Mariscos descend from an illigitimate son of King Henry I of England. (see http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pillagoda/ch2-04.htm) For the moment, I have put this question aside until I have more time to look at it. I have provisionally shown the de Marck version below, which has been accepted by some notable authorities, (Round/ Burkes Perrage etc) but I have not personally seen definitive evidence to show it is correct. DNA would be a way of pruning down the options. If the contending families were tested, and compared to descendants of the de Mariscos, it might show only one or two as possible, and perhaps only one as likely. A current project to itentify the Y-DNA of Henry I's line is of interest, as it might shed light on the possibility that Henry I was the ancestor of one line of the de Mariscos. The only thing which seems reasonably clear, is that on the male line, the ancestor appears to have been a Norman, who probably accompanied William the Conqueror in 1066, and the family received rewards in following generations for this service. Some of the de Mariscos were said to have been related to the Norman Kings, and were related to many of the important persons of the day. The early de Mariscos were a "colourful" lot. They include the whole range, from powerful Barons, to pirates. WEB SITES RELATING TO DE MARISCO FAMILY: http://www.pcug.org.au/~ronwells/420-9.htm (Tree, relationship to Montmorency) POSSIBLE DESCENDANT LINES: 1) Marris: http://www.robinmarris.itgo.com/Marrisfamily.htm 2) Morrissey: http://www.morrisseyfamilyhistory.com/introduction.html 3) Morris, Galway/ Morrissey, Waterford, Limerick, Cork: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlkik/ihm/irename2.htm 4) de Marisco/ Marris etc: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pillagoda/ch2-04.htm (descent from Henry I??) This family is documented in the 1952 Burkes Landed Gentry, under Marris. A number of male line living descendants are known. TREE: NOTE: RECENTLY OBTAINED INFORMATION MEANS THAT SUBSTANTIAL REVISION OF THE FOLLOWING TREE IS NECESSARY--- (THIS WILL BE DONE WHEN TIME ALLOWS): There were many more persons named de Marisco in the records from around 1066 to 1300s than shown below. Many are likely to be related to this family, but as the connections are very speculative, I have left most them off the tree for the moment. Geoffrey and Jordon II seem the key players in the de Marisco family, so I have attempted to show the immediate families surrounding them. The portion shown in green, is only one of at least 3 totally different versions of the early generations. It is unverified. Some say the alternative version showing descend from the de Montmorency family has been discredited. I have not seen record of this "discrediting", so I can't comment. Many still show the de Montmorency version. The other version claiming descent from de Mariscos is less clear. Some say a Francis de Marisco fought with William the Conqueror in 1066, but so far I have been unable to find any clear evidence regarding this. Perhaps the family was not represented in 1066 by a single person, but perhaps a group of brothers or cousins from the same de Marisco/ de Marck family were involved. Regarding the portion shown in blue, there is some confusion about how Jordan II connects to the tree. Some trees show his parents as William de Marisco and Lucy de Alnets (Alneto). Some show his father as the same father as Geoffrey b.1168. It seems however generally accepted that Geoffrey was his uncle. Perhaps his father had a different mother to Geoffrey? I get the feeling that whilst there may be some confusion in the details of the relationships, it seems fairly certain that the branches of the family are related, it is just not clear to me how. It is possible that original source documents are available somewhere to clarify the relationship. The portion shown in black, is that relating to Geoffrey de Marisco. I have also seen variants of this part of the tree, so what I have shown should not be taken as proven fact. 1) Osbert of Marck?: 2) Adelulf de Marck?: m.Jane de ma Launde? 3) Jordan de Marck?: b.? d.1188? m. Hawise de Redvers? ?4) Herve de Marisco: m Nesta, dau of Maurice FitzGerald, and was famous in conquest of Ireland as Hervey de Monte Marisco, Constable of Leinster, but died a monk at Canterbury 4) Robert de Marisco: living 1139, died in Lucca returning from Crusade in Palestine m. Jane Comyn? m. Lucetta d'Alnetto? One authority say Robert's ?5) Jordan de Marisco: living 1179, some say this was the father of Geoffrey de Marisco the Justicary, and also William de Marisco, Lord of Huntspill, Peer of the Realm 1229. 5) William de Marisco: b. before 1162?? d.1204? (or after 1230?) of Huntspill & Lundy. b. Bath Abbey, Bath Somerset?? There are a few puzzles in the records, and it is possible this was not the William who was the father of Jordan II. ?6) Jordan II de Marisco: b.1170? d.1234. burried Bath Abbey, Bath, Somerset. m.1212, Ballymasty, Ireland. Note, it is said that Jordan II left descendants in Ireland who evolved the surname into Morris and a number of variants. Jordon is described in some records as "of Templemore and Latteragh Co. Tipperary, Ireland. 7) William de Marisco: b.1212? Bath Abbey, Bath Somerset? m.1253? Margery?? at Middle Rasen, Lincolnshire 8) William de Marisco: b.1252? Middle Rasen, Lincolnshire Note: about 150 years after William was born at Middle Rasen, Lincolnshire, there was a family whose surname evolved from Maress (around 1400), to Marress to Marres to Marris over a number of generations, who lived at South & North Kelsey, which is about 6 miles north of Middle Rasen. In subsequent generations, the Marris family seems to have spread to neighbouring counties. In view of the fact that the surname Marris is believed to derive from de Marisco, and in this instance the Marrises seem to have been only 6 miles from the base of the de Mariscos, it would seem possible that these families are related. 8) John de Marisco: b.1254 Middle Rasen m.1275 at Kilkenny Ireland to Olive fitz David. 9) William de Marisco: b.1278, Kilkenny. 7) Richard de Marisco: b.1215 Ballymasty, Ireland. 7) Jordan de Marisco: b.1217 Lincolnshire, England. 5) Geoffrey de Marisco: b.1168? d.1245. m.1 Eve de Bermingham m.2 Jane de Esserley. Note: regarding parentage of Geoffrey, in addition to Robert de Marisco and Jane Comyn, his parents are also given as Geoffrey de Marisco, as Jordon de Marsico and Agnes de Warren, and as Jordan de Marisco and Jane Comyn. Geoffrey is said to have been a nephew of Strongbow, and related to King Henry II. Geoffrey was a powerful Baron in Ireland, and Justiciary of Ireland. In later life however, Geoffrey got into a bit of bother, as did his son William who was executed for a few misdemeanours, including piracy. That is a long story. Some reports are that Geoffrey's two daughters were his co heiresses, and some say that Geoffrey's male line died out by the time he died. However, the version of Geoffrey's descendants shown here, if correct, indicates he left quite a number of male line descendants. I speculate that he had male descendants, but because of "political factors", his male heirs may have been barred from receiving their inheritance. His many descendants via his daughters include such people as Queen Elizabeth II and Winston Churchill. Some records say Geoffrey had a sister Elinor b. about 1147, and a brother Herve b. about 1152. The sister born 21 years before him suggests his father may have had at least 2 separate marriages. Other records hint at other brothers, possibly Richard 1150-1224, (There was a Richard de Marisco, Bishop of Durham about this time.) http://www.stevebulman.f9.co.uk/cumbria/diocese_ferguson5_f.html) and possibly Walter b.1170. 6) Robert de Marisco: b.1195 d.1240 m. .... de Ridelsford 7) Christina de Marreis: she had no children 6) Joan de Marisco: m. Theobald Butler, ancestor of Earls of Ormonde 6) John de Marisco: b.1203? d.1244 m. Mabel de Valoignes ?7) Geoffrey de Marisco?: ?7) Joan de Marisco?: 7) Herbert de Marisco: b.1250? d.1327 m. .... la Haye The dates estimated for Herbert's birth, seem to be after his father died. I have some questions about this, but have included him on the tree for the moment, until I find out more detail. There may be a generation missing, or the birth year, which is uncertain, may be earlier than estimated. 8) Stephen de Marisco: b.1280? d.1372 6) William de Marisco: b.1205 d.1242, of Tipperary, of Lundy. 7) William II de Marisco: b.1240? d.1281 7) Hugh de Marisco: b.1240? 6) Henry de Marisco: b.1207? 6) Thomas de Marisco: b.1209? 6) Walter de Marisco (Mareis): 7) Walter II de Marisco (Mareis): b.1240? 6) Matilda de Marisco: AN INTERESTING DE MARISCO REFERENCE: The following is copied from the interesting web site at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pillagoda/ch2-04.htm . This site is well worth a detailed study. I propose to review when I get time, the above tree in view of the following, which seems like it includes information which clarifys areas I had doubts about. Whether the de Mariscos come from Henry I or not, the descendants shown for William below look more convincing to me. The de Mariscos traced their ancestry back 700 years and Henry IV of France described them as the first family of Europe after the Bourbons. They were a highborn and influential family who had connections with Wales and held estates and ports in Somerset. They may have descended
from Geoffrey de Marisco who came with William I or William de Marisco, an illegitimate
son of Henry I. Fig. 34 - de Marisco. William de
Marisco, illegitimate son of Henry I (1068-1100) > Jordan de Marisco (1130-40) = Agnes
(1220), sister of John Comyn (1212), archbishop of Durham >: (a) Richard de
Marisco, Bishop of Durham, Lord Chancellor (1225) (b) William de
Marisco (1225) = Lucy de Alneto > Jordan (1234-76) > William = Bertha (1283-4) >: (1) Stephen de
Marisco = (1) Alice = (2) Lucy (2) Joan de
Marisco (3) John de
Marisco = (1) ? = (2) Oliva > Herbert de Marisco (1276-1327) = (1) Sybilla de la Haye =
(2) Isabella de Tracy (c) Geoffrey de
Marisco, Justiciar of Ireland = Eva de Bermingham > (1) Walter,
Thomas, Henry & John de Marisco (2) Robert de
Marisco = Christiana de Riddlesford (3) Christiana
de Marisco in 1281 surrendered S. Kildare, Connacht, & Dublin to King John. She held Wraysbury, Bucks. (4) William de
Marisco = Matilda. He escaped of murder of
Henry Clement exec. 1242 for conspiracy > Hugh ("The Marisco Family of Lundy & Ireland" - E. St. John
Brooks, Journal; of Royal Society of Antiquaries of Ireland Vol. 61. pp. 22-38 &
89-112 (1931) quoted in "Islands -
Lundy"). The de Mariscos were first recorded in Lundy during the reign of Stephen (1135-54). The Orkneyinga Saga mentions a freeman of Wales who founded an impregnable fortress there in 1148 which probably belonged to the de Mariscos. In 1163 Prince Madoc or another messenger from North Wales sought their help against Henry I but they were loyal. They held the island from 1154-1166 for the 5th part of a knight's fee from Bernard Newmarch and from Henry de Newmarch in 1154-66. Bernard Newmarch became lord of Brecon and a de Marisco, Sausmarez or Somery may have followed him to Wales (probably Robert de Sumeri who was in Glamorgan). The surname Dumaresq survives in Brecon. Their stronghold was in the area west of the High Street rickyards in Bull's Paradise. Their coat of arms were "gules, a lion rampant, argent" and that of William de Marisco "gules, a lion rampant sable, langued gules" which may mean they were royal bastards (or alternatively descended from Charlemagne). The potential assassin of King Henry was described "he bore the royal mark on his shoulder." In 1155 Henry II demanded the return of royal lands granted away by Stephen to the Mariscos. In 1160 he tried to grant the land to the Templars but the de Mariscos would not allow it and were fined in 1194-5. In 1199 King John confirmed the Templars' grant and they had to pay rent for the de Marisco lands in Somerset "as long as William de Marisco shall holde the island of Lunde against the king's will and theirs". In 1202 the Templars still owed rent and William de Marisco was using Lundy as a pirate base for raids on North Devon. He was given charge of the king's galleys, becoming Admiral of the Fleet to during the quarrel with the church and the Templars were forced to relinquish their lands. In 1216 William sided with the Scots and the French against the kung and was captured by the English whilst serving with the French fleet. In 1271 Henry III declared an amnesty and restored Lundy to William who died in 1225. He was succeeded by his son Jordan. William's brother Geoffrey was Hugh de Lacy's brother-in-law and justiciar of Ireland at the time of his death and had a son, also named William. Geoffrey was loyal to Henry III when earl Richard Marshal of Ireland rebelled. This occurred because Gilbert Basset, lord of Wycombe, Buckinghamshire and castellan of Devizes castle was disseised by the king of a Wiltshire manor in favour of Peter de Mauley, former castellan of Corfe Castle. Richard Marshall upheld Gilbert's claim and went to Ireland to defend his lordship and castle of Leinster where he was attacked and died of his wounds. Geoffrey de Marisco was accused of luring his friend the marshall to his death and his son William began a feud which lasted for many years. Geoffrey and his son came under suspicion of complicity after the rising was put down. He was fined 3,000 marks and his relatives were fined as well and imprisoned but released in 1234 after the king had seized 3 of their castles as pledges for future fidelity. Geoffrey and William went to London to vindicate themselves and met an enemy Henry Clement who was murdered. William was suspected and fled to Lundy; Geoffrey took refuge in Clerkenwell., the site of a holy well. He was outlawed, disinherited and expelled from England, Ireland and Scotland in 1238 after having plotted to kill the king at Woodstock and died in France in 1245. William, son of Jordan de Marisco, inherited Lundy in 1234 and disassociated himself from his cousin. Jordan also incurred the king's displeasure in 1281. Geoffrey's son William then turned pirate and allied himself with Alexander, king of Scots against Henry. An attempt was made on the Henry's life allegedly by William's agents. He was captured in 1242 by William Bardolf, a Norfolk baron, taken to Bristol, then to the Fleet and Newgate in London. He was hanged, drawn and quartered on 25.6.1242, a punishment "invented for the express benefit of a William Maurice, the son of a nobleman who was convicted not of treason but of piracy" ("A history of capital punishment" - John Lawrence). He was the first traitor to meet his death in such a manner. The de Mariscos got the king to recognise their right to Lundy. Stephen, son of Robert de Marisco died in 1374 without heirs and Lundy passed to William Montacute, earl of Salisbury after Stephen had waived his claim. Robert de Sumeri, Robert de St. Quintin and Payne de Turberville, second generation Advenae Normans in South Glamorgan in 1136, appear as witnesses to charters or as benefactors of monasteries. Robert de Sumeri was probably the ancestor of the Somerys of Dinas Powis who were connected with the Honour of Dudley, Worcestershire.
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